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07-29-2009, 05:09 PM
A friend sent me this article and I thought it was very important to share.


07-29-2009, 06:24 PM
I am printing the article out in its entirety in case the link would go dead. This is one frightening article.


Emanuel: Believes in withholding care from elderly for greater good.

July 24, 2009

THE health bills coming out of Congress would put the de cisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They'd decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.

Yet at least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.

Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

Yes, that's what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).

Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

The bills being rushed through Congress will be paid for largely by a $500 billion-plus cut in Medicare over 10 years. Knowing how unpopular the cuts will be, the president's budget director, Peter Orszag, urged Congress this week to delegate its own authority over Medicare to a new, presidentially-appointed bureaucracy that wouldn't be accountable to the public.

Since Medicare was founded in 1965, seniors' lives have been transformed by new medical treatments such as angioplasty, bypass surgery and hip and knee replacements. These innovations allow the elderly to lead active lives. But Emanuel criticizes Americans for being too "enamored with technology" and is determined to reduce access to it.

Dr. David Blumenthal, another key Obama adviser, agrees. He recommends slowing medical innovation to control health spending.

Blumenthal has long advocated government health-spending controls, though he concedes they're "associated with longer waits" and "reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices" (New England Journal of Medicine, March 8, 2001). But he calls it "debatable" whether the timely care Americans get is worth the cost. (Ask a cancer patient, and you'll get a different answer. Delay lowers your chances of survival.)

Obama appointed Blumenthal as national coordinator of health-information technology, a job that involves making sure doctors obey electronically deivered guidelines about what care the government deems appropriate and cost effective.

In the April 9 New England Journal of Medicine, Blumenthal predicted that many doctors would resist "embedded clinical decision support" -- a euphemism for computers telling doctors what to do.

Americans need to know what the president's health advisers have in mind for them. Emanuel sees even basic amenities as luxuries and says Americans expect too much: "Hospital rooms in the United States offer more privacy . . . physicians' offices are typically more conveniently located and have parking nearby and more attractive waiting rooms" (JAMA, June 18, 2008).

No one has leveled with the public about these dangerous views. Nor have most people heard about the arm-twisting, Chicago-style tactics being used to force support. In a Nov. 16, 2008, Health Care Watch column, Emanuel explained how business should be done: "Every favor to a constituency should be linked to support for the health-care reform agenda. If the automakers want a bailout, then they and their suppliers have to agree to support and lobby for the administration's health-reform effort."

Do we want a "reform" that empowers people like this to decide for us?

Betsy McCaughey is founder of the Committee to Reduce Infec tion Deaths and a former New York lieutenant governor.

07-30-2009, 08:53 AM
Angry, angry, angry. So what is new? Nobody listens. We wouldn't need so much care if the FDA would get their nose out of my stem cells.

The following article is about protecting big pharma. This is insane! How do these people keep getting elected?


07-31-2009, 05:49 PM
Here is a translation of some of the items in the health care bill. I am amazed that our government has the audacity to come up with something like this.
This is from the Natural News website http://www.naturalnews.com/026733_health_health_care_healthcare.html Even if you do not agree with the theme of that site, you can check these things out for yourself just like Jan did. It is truly sad that this health care reform bill is anything but. It should be called Health Care Government Control of Our Lives bill. I think the best thing for legislators and the President is to just slow down. What on earth is the huge rush? I think that scares me more than the plan itself. It makes me very suspicious.

What's really in Obama's health care reform bill? Almost no one knows, and here's why: It's 1,017 pages long and written in an alien form of bureaucratic English that can barely be decoded by earthlings.

And yet, astonishingly, a U.S. Army translator has been found who speaks "Washington Doublespeak" and he was kind enough to decode the bill and post his plain-language findings over at FreeRepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f...). (this link can only be accessed through the Natural News site)

Below, we reprint what he found in the health care reform bill. As you read this, keep in mind that some of these translations are a bit loose with the interpretations, but I've personally spot-checked these points, and they are indeed all contained in the bill in one form or another (shrouded in Doublespeak language, of course).

Editor's note: I don't personally agree with every interpretation listed here, and some of the bill's provisions are actually good ideas (like banning doctors from owning stock in health care companies). But overall, this interpretation points out many alarming provisions in the proposed health care reform bill...

From CMS at FreeRepublic.com:

? Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!
? Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
? Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
? Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
? Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
? Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
? Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
? Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
? Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
? Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
? Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
? Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
? Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
? Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
? Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
? Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
? Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
? Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
? Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
? Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
? Page 167: Any individual who doesn't have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
? Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
? Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
? Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
? Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
? Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
? Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
? Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
? Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
? Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
? Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
? Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
? Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
? Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
? Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
? Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
? Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
? Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
? Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
? Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
? Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
? Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
? Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
? Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
? Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
? Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
? Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
? Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
? Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

09-08-2009, 07:41 PM
The Bankruptcy Toll
Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, is a co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program and co-author of studies finding that medical bills are a leading contributor to personal bankruptcies in the United States. He spoke to Anne Underwood, a contriubtior to The New York Times.
Q. How many medical bankruptcies are there annually in this country?
A. Around 900,000 cases and each one affects about 2.7 people. That makes roughtly 2.4 million people who will suffer from new medical bankruptcy filings in 2009 alone.
Q. A big goal of health care overhaul is to cover more people. But does covering more people mean that medical banktuptcies will decline?
A. No. Of the medically bankrupt, three-quarters of that group had insurance at least when they first got sick.
Q. Would any of the plans under discussion reduce the rate of medical bankruptcies?
A. Only the single-payer plans. The others pretty clearly do little or nothing for medical bankruptcy.

09-08-2009, 08:52 PM
I have owned a credit reporting agency since 1995 and have NEVER SEEN a bankruptcy caused by medical bills. Hospitals are always willing to make payment arrangements.

The bankruptcies I see are due to overspending and a lack of financial responsibiity.

Although lately, many are due to the economy and job losses.

09-09-2009, 01:48 PM
I did have an employee that had to file for bankruptcy after his wife got breast cancer and the bills started to mount. He did have insurance however, but had purchased a policy that really didn't cover much of anything. The other bankruptcies that have had a direct impact on me were due to just what you mentioned Jeannine. The business my husband and I own got stuck holding the bag because of the irresponsibility of others.

09-09-2009, 04:52 PM
When my wife was pregnant with my son, who's birth cost approx $750,000 due to what was later determined to be Medical MalPractice, I lost my insurance for awhile due to unemployment and was only reinstated by a former employer who retroactively enrolled me in the employer insurance thank God, when they hired me. I know the fear of being uninsured and I know the bullet I dodged by getting that insurance. Times now are even tougher. I wonder how long it would have taken me to pay off $750,000 at say $5,000 a year. Oh, my calculator says 150 years. Sounds like I would have gone bankrupt for sure. Next you will be saying how the poor doctor who fractured my son's head with forcepts should have been spared the 'frivolous' lawsuit that we filed.

09-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Michaelsdad00 - I understand that it was a fearful time for you. I also understand what it is like to be overburdened with costs as a small business owner. You were treated very good by one by your own accounts. I am not against health care reform if that is what you are insinuating by your uncalled for remark, but it needs to be done properly and not shoved upon us overnight in a haphazard fashion in my opinion. What good is universal health care if everyone won't be cared for? You are worried about your own situation and so are others. If the government run health care systems were in tip top shape in England and Canada, then I think everyone would be on board, but they aren't and so people are naturally fearful, especially seniors and people who are chronically ill. There are literally hundreds of blogs, forums and other sites with discussion on Health Care Reform. They would be good places to take your argument. The audience would be much greater than this stem cell forum.

09-10-2009, 11:47 AM
Illness And Injury As
Contributors To Bankruptcy
Quote from MarketWatch:

Even universal coverage could leave many Americans
vulnerable to bankruptcy unless such coverage was
more comprehensive than many current policies.

June 4, 2009, 8:45AM EST
Study Links Medical Costs and Personal Bankruptcy
Harvard researchers say 62% of all personal bankruptcies in the U.S. in 2007 were caused by health problems?and 78% of those filers had insurance

By Catherine Arnst

Medical problems caused 62% of all personal bankruptcies filed in the U.S. in 2007, according to a study by Harvard researchers. And in a finding that surprised even the researchers, 78% of those filers had medical insurance at the start of their illness, including 60.3% who had private coverage, not Medicare or Medicaid.

Medically related bankruptcies have been rising steadily for decades. In 1981, only 8% of families filing for bankruptcy cited a serious medical problem as the reason, while a 2001 study of bankruptcies in five states by the same researchers found that illness or medical bills contributed to 50% of all filings. This newest, nationwide study, conducted before the start of the current recession by Drs. David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler of Harvard Medical School, Elizabeth Warren of Harvard Law School, and Deborah Thorne, a sociology professor at Ohio University, found that the filers were for the most part solidly middle class before medical disaster hit. Two-thirds owned their home and three-fifths had gone to college.

But medically bankrupt families with private insurance reported average out-of pocket medical bills of $17,749, while the uninsured's bills averaged $26,971. Of the families who started out with insurance but lost it during the course of their illness, medical bills averaged $22,658. "For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection. Most of us have policies with so many loopholes, co-payments, and deductibles that illness can put you in the poorhouse," said lead author Himmelstein. "Unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy."

02-09-2010, 07:13 PM
Now that Anthem has decided that it needs 39% more money. Will the other Insurance follow suite. We will see...


David Snow

02-10-2010, 04:52 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they did. The airlines always follow one another. No price fixing there, they just all have the same price.

I think that politicians and insurance companies have yet to get the message.
I also think the public has gotten used to expecting every aspirin to be covered by insurance. Just my opinion, but something has to give.

I also found the level of care that my mom received abominable. I truly believe that the incompetency of the doctors killed her. We seem to being paying more for less and less good care. She was also given enough drugs to level a horse, so let's not forget the role of Big Pharma.

This request for such a huge increase is abominable and I hope it will be denied.

03-02-2010, 10:06 PM
Okay boys and girls-
Now that the president has had dis physical and owned up to smoking and has since he was a boy everyone is thinking that he probably has emphysema and COPD. Maybe we should extend an invite to join us. That would give us a bit of inside track on dealing with the FDA and Big Pharma

Now if you really believe all that bull I have a really nice mountain condo for sale in south Texas------------

03-02-2010, 11:12 PM
Everett - You are so funny. It's good to laugh. Very therapeutic. You are right though, it would give us a little insider info on what the heck is going on at the FDA.